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Everton stadium blues

Posted by Mark Thomas on July 25, 2007 11:36 AM | 

Ok, this whole Everton stadium row is getting a bit tedious now, so I'm going to have one last quick go at the subject, and then move on to other topics.
I can't let some of the comments being posted on this blog go without a response, though. Thanks again for the supportive ones, and to the rest of you, it is such a mixed bag of the genuinely concerned and passionate and the quite clearly unreasonable, cynical and blinkered that it is very hard to come up with a collective response. I need to say something though, so that regular readers don't believe that some of the rather ridiculous criticism of our journalists has any basis in reality.

There are a few John Pilgers out there who clearly believe that "investigative journalism" is simply a case of picking up the phone to the powers that be and demanding answers, which we will be automatically given. I worked as an investigative journalist for several years, and actually won some awards for it, so I can tell you will some authority that it is a time consuming and difficult process that a regional newspaper with the relatively limited resources at its disposal deploys only when it is convinced that there is serious wrongdoing to investigate. Then, getting the evidence you need to publish takes a huge amount of skill and patience.
Do we believe Everton FC is an appropriate subject to launch a major investigation into? No. Why? Because it is a football club, not a drugs cartel. We are talking about business people running a business the best way they can. Criticism is perfectly legitimate, from those who are stakeholders in that business, including, clearly, the fans. But there is not a glimmer of evidence of wrong-doing of the sort that would justify any kind of in-depth investigation. If anyone out there believes that they actually have such evidence send it to me, in confidence, and I will have it looked into. But right now, all I am reading is dark mutterings that something is rotten in the state of Kirkby.
Everyone who supports a football club believes, from time to time, that they could run it better than those in charge, whether it is the manager, the backroom staff or the board of directors. We get passionate about it and we feel as though we are entitled to every detail of its business plans. The truth though, is that football clubs are commercial businesses, even if some of them aren't exactly profitable. That means that the information those of us outside the club have a right of access to is very limited, compared to a local authority or a health trust, for example.
It isn't taxpayers' money, so tools like the Freedom of Information Act don't apply.
What we can do is ask questions. A lot of the posters on this blog seem to think we haven't done that. Well, they are just wrong, pure and simple. We ask questions all the time, and ask for interviews with key people. When we get answers, or are granted those interviews, we share them with you. That is our job, and whether the conspiracy theorists like it or not my team work hard at it, and are actually pretty good at it. We print the facts, without fear or favour. When we believe one of the football clubs has got something wrong, we will say so, even if it upsets them. We have done it frequently in the past, and will continue to do so, when it is justified by the facts at our disposal.
I know a lot of you are very concerned about the Kirkby plan, for a variety of reasons. If you read what I have written carefully, I haven't expressed a definitive view, one way or the other, beyond saying it looks like a very good deal on the facts currently available, and that there does not appear to be a genuinely viable alternative.
All I have said beyond that is that I think the "city of Liverpool" argument is utterly false, given the artificiality of the boundaries. Kirkby is 4 miles from Goodison Park, Speke is 10. That's how daft this whole issue is, in my view. You don't have to agree with me, but I hope you will respect my right to an opinion, as much as I respect yours.
Meanwhile, as my own final word on the subject for the moment, although not, I suspect, some of yours, I'd like to assure you that we will continue to ask questions about Everton's plans, and continue to strive to bring you all the news we can, first, here on our website and in the pages of the Liverpool Daily Post. Watch this space...

Comments (11)

Paul Collyer wrote...

Mark,

There have been some very valid points raised that I dont feel have been addressed by the Post or Echo. Could you at least try to ensure that the following are asked and explored before the vote?

- What research have the club done into the effect of moving to Kirkby upon the make up of the fanbase, in the short, medium and long term?

- On what factors are Everton basing their view that we need to leave Goodison asap? Namely....

- Safety - What evidence is this based on? What would it cost to sort it out?

- Upkeep costs - how do these compare with other clubs with similar stadiums...Villa, Spurs, Liverpool etc?

- Why did the club enter into an exclusivity period at all?

- Will the club still consider a site closer to the city centre if there is interest from LCC and potential business partners?

- Will we be seeing plans that go beyond "artist impressions" before the vote?

There are others of course, which no doubt my fellow blues will draw your attention to. In the meantime, please use your position to ensure a proper debate is had via the local media and that the statements of all parties concerned are scrutinised fairly and objectively.

Paul

Posted by: Paul Collyer  | July 25, 2007 4:18 PM

Kenny Fogarty wrote...

What an amazingly petulant response.

So you can use off the cuff comments such as "Riquelme at Kirkby or Angell at Goodison" and when you get called for this "opinion" you spit your dummy out?

People are right to voice concern about the party line you faithfully trotted out by yourself seemingly without question - its called free speech.

If people are concerned, aren't you at least piqued to find out why they are concerned? Aren't you the least bit interested in what will happen if a company the size of Everton Football Club leaves Liverpool?

What if it wasn't a football club? What if it was a company that manufactured things and employed hundreds of people from the Liverpool area?

Would your award-winning journalistic traits awaken then?

If you can't afford to investigate the ins and outs of the move, and cannot represent a fair and balanced argument representing both sides, then I think you should hold back on your ill-founded thoughts.

I leave it to you to prove that you ask questions and bring news. Trotting out the company line is not journalism.

Posted by: Kenny Fogarty  | July 25, 2007 7:53 PM

Tony Mc. Nally wrote...

Everton is the heart of Liverpool.Take Everton out of Liverpool and this city will have no heart. How can anyone even think of it,especially the Everton Board. Where theres a will there's a way. I hope they're not putting self profit before before this magnificent club. If Everton go to Kirby the club will end up a dwarf. Could this be the strategy all along?

Posted by: Tony Mc. Nally  | July 25, 2007 9:55 PM

DannyD wrote...

It's not the distance they object to, it is being outside of the city of Liverpool their home since they as individuals and the club as an entity were born. you might not understand that but as a football fan ( a Red) I do, and not the " we will leave it to the Reds" brigade. it is about the soul of the club I know if we moved further than we are doing from Anfield I would never have felt at "home" in the new stadium, no matter how many bells and whistles go off at the launch.

Posted by: DannyD  | July 25, 2007 11:00 PM

Dave Thompson wrote...

Mark,

Further to the comments raised by Paul above, could you also consider this:

The new stadium apparently has parking places for 1000 cars - about 4000 people if they all go pretty much full.

One of the main arguments for an out of town location is the parking, and much is made of the road links and proximity to the M57.

Do you find this lack of parking paradoxical, and isn't it the kind of question that your newspaper should be asking before people vote on the move?

Thanks

Posted by: Dave Thompson  | July 26, 2007 9:34 AM

mike mcloughlin (Bluekahuna) wrote...

Seems to me, we are all in a double bind i.e. we do and we don't! Change is always difficult and fraught with uncertainties. Staying at 'Woodison' as my Red mates call it, is not a serious option, unless you are an ostrich with your mind ruled by your heart. Remember this club has moved a few times before with admittedly mixed consequences (our reasonable success as 4th most successful English club, but also the birth of our offspring and their unmitigated success, sadly! Avanti Les Bleus!! Brave and bold in hope and faith

Posted by: mike mcloughlin (Bluekahuna)  | July 26, 2007 11:41 AM

Dave Tootill wrote...

Kirkby IS Liverpool, as in ZCars. Politicians might change boundaries every now & again.
Who outside of Liverpool has ever heard of Knowsley?

Posted by: Dave Tootill  | July 26, 2007 11:24 PM

Torrres wrote...

Are Everton fans the worlds worst moaners?

Posted by: Torrres  | July 28, 2007 12:36 PM

Bob wrote...

Mr Thomas, with regard to Kirkby only being 4 miles from Goodison Park and Speke being 10 - I take it, therefore, you consider Birkenhead to be part of Liverpool, too? After all, Birkenhead is just on 4 miles from Goodison Park, too.

The location of the new ground is not an issue in my opinion, but to read such blinkered, unbalanced opinions from a local journalist is quite distressing. I urge you to read Paddy Shennan's article in the Liverpool Echo a few days ago - the only journalist to actually tackle many of the supporters concerns.

Posted by: Bob  | July 28, 2007 1:17 PM

Mike McLean wrote...

I'm unsure that labelling people's passionate concern for the future of the club as tedious is at all helpful.
What would be helpful is a full investigation of what's going on ... including the new "loop" idea.
I thought that such work was the basis of good journalism.

Posted by: Mike McLean  | July 30, 2007 10:48 AM

Matt wrote...

I can't believe some of the comments on here. They must be out of their tiny minds - Kirkby is just down the road and, nowadays, probably has more genuine Scousers living there than Liverpool city centre. The geography argument is nonsense. As for skulduggery, I have no idea, but from the description of the proposed deal, the Blues are going to get a brand spanking new stadium with improved facilities for a bargain cost. Terry Leahy is no mug either and he's a Blue. Jesus wept, I wish some people would wake up and smell the Mersey - it's time to grow up and move on. And bid Goodison a fond farewell...

Posted by: Matt  | August 1, 2007 7:55 PM

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